David (844) 263-7582 | info@mcsmeters.com, Gas Meters: 0-800,000 BTU/hour Gas Meters, Brand New! All gas meters will be placed endobj Gas ranges always make me laugh, I bet not even on Thanksgiving morning will every burner and the oven be on HI simultaneously. Underground gas piping shall be installed with sufficient clearance from any other underground structure to avoid contact therewith, to allow maintenance, and to protect against damage from proximity to other structures. At least 3 feet, per NEC 110-26 & NFPA 54-National Fuel Gas Code for premises-owned gas meters. BGE GAS & ELECTRIC INSTALLATION SPECIFICATIONS [PDF] BGE, Baltimore Gas & Electric Co. ", @Marc, The lpg comment was about an earlier comment about ranges being fed by 3/8 copper tube. Meter bases, conventional mechanical meters and conventional smart meters are not a source of ignition, and are permitted to be located within 1 metre of a natural gas discharge opening and 3 metres of a propane gas discharge opening. Access shall be provided to pressure regulators. hb```f`` so it will give you 250cfh with only 7"wc inlet pressure. I contacted the retired operations manager for the gas company and he said it was code to move it to the house. can I go in front of gas meter with a window in fence? Or see GAS METER CLEARANCE DISTANCE FAQs - questions and answers posted originally on this page. minimum clearances specified in this table must be maintained. ignition. need to run electric line from breaker box to sub panel outside to entry spot in foundation there is a gas line already there can I run the enclosed wire next to gas line what would be the min distance from gas line? Perfect for large scale sub-metering projects with data collection. <> Electricity and Gas Inspection Regulations (SOR/86-131) Backfill must be free of sharp objects and must not contain rocks larger than 8", or increase sand shading depth to 12 inches. any building opening, such as an openable door or window and not just permanent openings and standards: You'll plaster (or install gypsum board or drywall) for no less than the clearance and working distances behind the meter as given in the article above. Including to doorways. (505) 222-9800 for examination, reading, replacement and maintenance. Local building code requirements for safe distances from a gas meter or gas meter vent vary, depending on where you live, and are also different between the U.S. and Canada. These are typical gas meter clearance distances to various building features, but keep in mind however that this list is not exhaustive. https://inspectapedia.com/plumbing/Electrical-Arc-to-Gas-Equipment-Distances-Ontario.pdf Also if I increase the size of the gas meter, how big would it be? "What is FNPT?" endobj Our Comment Box is provided by Countable Web Productions countable.ca, Click to Show or Hide Citations & References, Defects, installation & inspection points for gas meters. regulator vents are detailed in the attached diagrams. As a related example that could address gas vs electrical installation safety details, an electric meter installation on an un-finished wall may not be approved by your local inspector. Alberta Building Code On 2021-06-22 by inspectapedia.com.moderator (mod). In a medium rise residential apartment building (17 stories) where the gas meter is installed in the ceiling may said meter be installed in an other than vertical position? https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-86-131/index.html, Alberta, Canada: Gas Meter Clearance Distance codes for Alberta, Canada Be sure to ask your local plumbing inspector to OK this installation. The LT is simply referring to the size of a particular fitting. I would think all you would need is a pressure test certificate. Those 250's are pretty common, affordable meters, I have seen quite a few of them that are sized like yours. A small 3/4" or 1" residential gas sub-meter capable of gas loads up to 250 MBH (0.6 SG N.G. All of these gas regulators are outdoors and though the utility has a rule about their meters needing to be 3 feet from the regulator, the enforcement is spotty, especially in existing homes. We include examples of typical gas meter overall dimensions for residential as well as commercial gas meters for both LP and natural gas. Readers have raised clearance questions that were not necessarily detailed in the model standards or codes - many of these have been clarified by local authorities so we like to add those as well. GilbertModel codes as well as your local building inspector will almost certainly require one or more protective bollards installed such that it becomes impossible to drive directly into the meter. Then each branch can be sized according to the individual load served. My question being, is it ok for the electrical conduit to pass by the gas line so that I can then bury the electrical conduit 12" below the gas line that will be more superficial to the surface, or are the lines not allowed to pass each other that way? Can anybody answer my question please, Sure David, you can see the clearance distances to Windows and Doors in the tables above on this page, my gas meter is less then 3 ft from 2 windows is just over 3 ft from my door is located in driveway right next to house where i park my truck is prob 2 ft from it is any of this legal, On 2020-11-04 In that case the meter must be vented to the outdoors.Meters, when set inside, will be installed immediately Similarly, installing an emergency standby generator will increase gas demand and may call for a split-meter system. endobj by inspectapedia.com.moderator (mod), @Sandi, <> Now imagine the load current changing. "What is the advantage of purchasing a temperature compensating gas meter?" On 2020-02-05 - by (mod) - gas piping distances we know from codes & standards. Very late to the game. Get info. i wanted to get a 2psi service so i could replace the 70 year old piping that had been trough a fire and put a regulator where the appliances were. Under certain conditions this can cause a fire. No surprise, you won't see "fence posts" listed as a gas piping obstruction or code detail in the model building codes. but in the table I recommended you'll find The Alberta Gas Code Regulations, Gas Meter Clearances, BC, British Columbia, Canada, courtesy of Canadian Chimney, 521 Short Close Ladysmith, BC V9G 1A7 Canada, (250)800-2251 https://www.canadianchimney.com/, For BC, Canada gas meter clearances also see Electrical panels, most electrical switches, relays, and similar controls that can create a spark when operated are considered a "source of ignition". The gas company may also want to inspect the installation. All portions of a gas utility distribution system up to the outlet of the meter are regulated by 49 CFR Part 192, under the U.S. Department of Transportation. You won't find such an explicit specific situation in the model nor the CA GAS CODES. i found out there was only 2psi in the street. Q. IF the expanded gas travels through a non-compensating meter, you would be charged more based on volume and not actual heating capacity. For example: {R!QF>59T$w PJIz%24y:`v$p'!h~}^PN-e:rX*\',ak. The gas pressure in the street is higher already. <>stream
Copyright 2022 Measurement Control Systems. Meters shall be located at Depth includes 4 inches of bedding sand under gas line & 6 inches of sand shading over the gas line, & typical excavation trench width of 12 inches. A multipurpose diaphragm gas meter capable of gas loads up to425 MBH (0.6 SG Gas @ 7" WC). Just to be 100% clear.. the meter has to be 3' away from any door or window? Will the distance from the meter to the door be another issue I need to look at? gjMB_ The model plumbing code (UPC) does discuss requirements for gas piping that your plumbing inspector might consider when looking at your installation as in your photo. Ontario gas meter clearances also see @John, The unthreaded portion of piping outlets shall extend not less than l inch (25 mm) through finished ceilings and walls and where extending through floors or outdoor patios and slabs, shall not be less than 2 inches (51 mm) above them. Note: appearance of your Comment below may be delayed: if your comment contains an image, web link, or text that looks to the software as if it might be a web link, your posting will appear after it has been approved by a moderator. j).y0^%q-|@,eOs{~6qf,2b`2pf1RYpYYQYYTY68_&`g^fS\ [NFPA54: 7.1.1]. If you get curious, you could turn everything on and clock the meter. I would think that if you fired all the appliances up, checked gas pressure at each, and clocked the meter individually for each, you'd know if there's a problem with the meter or line sizes. The house were renting has a gas line in the basement with 120 V cable sitting right on top of it??? This is frequently the case when major appliances are being used simultaneously. Local codes may vary from the national or model codes cited here. A couple of questions.. Outlets shall not be placed behind doors. When starved for gas, soot buildup may result. These regulations require a three-foot clearance from indoor meters to sources of ignition, but have no comparable requirement when the meter is located outdoors. - so you will want to note the country and city of location of the mobile home park and then contact your local building department too. Based in Bethesda, our team proudly serves all of Montgomery County. Bathroom vent fan? I am also tapping into an exterior outlet to run electrical to the outdoor grill kitchen. by inspectapedia.com.moderator (mod) Gas meter clearance to sources of ignition Quoting from the AGA: PSE&G, "GAS APPLIANCE and GAS PIPING", [PDF], (2017), PSE&G Construction, New Jersey, USA, TEl: 800-722-0256, retrieved 2017/11/12, original source: https://www.pseg.com/business/builders/new_service/before/pdf/RequirementsGasService.pdf, PSE&G, "Gas Appliance and Gas Piping", [PDF], (2012), PSE&G Construction, New Jersey, USA, TEl: 800-722-0256, retrieved 4 June 2015, original source: https://www.pseg.com/business/builders/new_service/before/pdf/RequirementsGasService.pdf, Puget Sound Energy Inc's 2014 gas meter clearance specifications, retrieved 8/19/2014, - original source: https://pse.com/accountsandservices/Construction/Documents/3885.pdf, SOCAL, "Gas Service Guidebook", Southern California Gas Service Guidebook, [PDF] (2013) - original source: http://www.socalgas.com/documents/construction/GasServiceGuidebook.pdf, U.S. Energy Information Administration - eia.doe.gov/, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency - epa.gov/solar/energy-and-you/affect/natural-gas.html, At Natural Gas.Org www.naturalgas.org/environment/naturalgas.asp#emission youll find a table of combustion products, At geocities.com/rainforest/6847/report1.html is an interesting and detailed though not neutral report on the components and contaminants in the combustion of natural gas. and electrical components (meter, service drop, etc). On 2021-03-31 - by (mod) - required clearance of gas meter to fence or property line. and specifically the section on "Closest recommended clearance distances for A/C or Heat Pump Compressors". Too-low gas pressure can cause atmospheric burners to "blow back" i.e. Please note that building opening means found by searching InspectApedia.com for "mobile home codes" But your *local* building code compliance inspector is the final legal authority on clearance distances for gas (what - piping, meters, appliances?) Has it always been so? where oblique references are made to clearances. "The National Fuel Gas Code Handbook," in its discussion of the above cited gas meter clearance, states that electric meters (except those that incorporate switching relays) are not considered a source of ignition. Also see , Residential bath new construction. Sure, the clearances are given in the article above. It only takes one time for something to go wrong. In, Our recommended books about building & mechanical systems design, inspection, problem diagnosis, and repair, and about indoor environment and IAQ testing, diagnosis, and cleanup are at the. endstream On 2021-02-11 by (mod) least 3 ft from electrical They have no problem upgrading a meter at no cost to the customer. GAS METER CLEARANCE DISTANCES at InspectApedia.com - online encyclopedia of building & environmental inspection, testing, diagnosis, repair, & problem prevention advice. This measure is taken from laboratory tests of a gas meter. We replaced all the gas line to our house. Our gas company recently replaced our meter and upon reconnecting found a leak. We welcome your criticism, content suggestions, or questions. I would be happy with that solution. From what I've found in gas meter and electrical specifications from several utilities, a building wall can serve as a barrier wall when it's solid masonry; I would think that we'd care about the wall construction materials, and about how well any wall penetrations are sealed. It may be that this question will be in the form of an opinion from your local building or electrical inspector: those authorities are the final legal word on code interpretation. It may be that you were describing sloppy work however. where they will be easily accessible, not exposed to extreme heat sources and located at least 3 feet from any Watch out: be sure to see the article series beginning at When it came time for city inspection we were told it failed because the gas meter needed to be connected to the electric meter. Distance on each side of meter needs to be covered n what are the materials that I can use being its temporary, On 2020-12-18 - by (mod) - Gas meter clearance to sources of ignition. Gas meter clearance distance to domestic or residential water heater: Your present meter is fine, considering load diversity - which the gas utility will undoubtedly say. Ask yourself how likely it is that all those loads will running simultaneously. Think of regulators as a manually adjusted resistance to reduce the supply voltage. It also covers the piping to the outside water for his unit. The pressure drop would increase above the standard .5" of wc, gas pressure in the house would have a very slight drop. I was told by a friend that we should not have any temporary connections outside the house. We also provide an ARTICLE INDEX for this topic, or you can try the page top or bottom SEARCH BOX as a quick way to find information you need. @ 7" WC). Adding a exterior gas line for an outdoor grill. Serving Northern Maine HVAC & Controls. Can I get the codes and distances for gas and electric box in a mobile home park. Can a residential gas line pass over a basement egress window next to the wall or must it be buried at some distance around the window well? Recently, i noticed my neighbor park his truck close to my gas meter with the tail pipe facing my meter. As the temperature is increased the gas will expand in volume but this creates less concentration of the actual heating capacity of the gas. It's certainly possible that there could be an unsafe condition such as cables that are pulling on gas piping or cable routed. Their "solution" was to move my gas meter from the property line to up against the house and they would take care of everything to the meter. Arc-producing electrical equipment which is considered a source of ignition includes, but is not limited to: "A$."d`U`!TEjz "MjBI0{nv x00,He?O ^ since in the event that the Amazon delivery truck rolls into the gas meter and sets off a gas leak and subsequent natural gas explosion, both homes and occupants could be in serious danger. and pulse output. So it could form an electrical short between actual electrical wiring and the gas line, but in general co-axial cables carrying TV or Internet service are not electrically live and are not particularly hazardous. My electrical circuit breaker panel is located WITHIN the garage, immediately on the other side of the same wall. thanks. CID - Las Cruces Pressure regulators shall be protected from physical damage. Then the connections are tested for leaks. Please take a look, Marie. the flame passing from the burner head into the tube. I haven't seen that detail spelled out explicitly in any of the electrical or plumbing codes; you'll see all the gas to electrical component clearance distances I could find given above on this page. Outlets shall be located in the room or space where the appliance is installed. The Alberta Safety Codes Act space under a building, they will be accessible through "There must be a minimum of three feet (0.9m) separation between any part of the gas meter/regulation installation and any sources of ignition (i.e. - Source: ATCO, GAS METER CLEARANCE SPECIFICATIONS for ALBERTA [PDF] ATCO, ATCOenergy, ATCO Park : 5302 Forand Street S.W. In my OPINION, if we find an unsafe or poor construction practice it usually makes sense to correct it first and worry about grandfathering second. by Dj - codes against a natural gas line crossing an electrical service conduit ? Gas company only needs list of appliances and inputs. The only meter job I've piped was an appartment complex with a large UG tank, each appartment was individually metered. The comment below would not let me post two images. I can't find anything that says that. Gas piping, provided it's properly installed, routed, protected from damage, and is the proper material, can run inside of buildings. Years ago the LT referred to the old gas light systems. On 2020-05-27 - by (mod) - codes and distances for gas and electric box in a mobile home park. In concept you wouldn't want it to be possible for a gas leak to pass through a wall opening to any electrical component that could issue a spark and thus ignite a fire or explosion. Although I see a pipe cage built around meter it appears to me that that would not be adequate no accepted by any competent building inspector. endstream I informed her I was building a fence around our property line which begins at the wood fence area. OR - find plumbing supplies starting with: 3/4" connection set (two tailpieces & two nuts), 3/4" - 250 CFH Gas Meter -- Temperature compensating, Residential Gas Meter - Temperature compensating - 5 PSI, Gas Meter with 1-1/4" Connectors (2ea) - 10 PSI, Commercial Gas Meter w/ 1-1/4" Connectors (2ea) - 25 PSI, Industrial Gas Meter w/ 1-1/2" Connectors (2ea) - 25 PSI, Measures propane or natural gas in cubic feet. 33 0 obj Thanks for the discussion. When a house has a gas meter thats too small, its gas-powered appliances may not be getting enough fuel. , Washigton State, On 2020-03-18 - by (mod) - gas meter in a ceiling cavity. <> Has anyone heard of this before? h[OH comp. Contact gas Co. Around my area they can put on a 2psi regulator, not sure if they change out the entire meter. A. FNPT or Female National Pipe Thread is a U.S. standard for tapered threads used to join pipes and fittings. Mike, was the meter very old or the other HH member simply wise and not very old? I read the table where it calls for a 12" vertical clearance between gas and electrical lines. I started a new thread titled: Nat Gas required BTU's for whole house Gen plus the house appliances..
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