The further back, so the -2 will put your midsole of the boot close to the narrowest part of the ski, getting the most torsional stiffness and best carving power. Thanks, HI CS! I am on the West Coast of Canada and can ski in the interior too. I think thats part of Rossignols plan for that ski, and it makes a lot of sense. Steve Sulin also scored mostly 4's for the Escaper, with a lone 5 for overall impression. We had a lot of really positive feedback on the Escaper this past winter and a half. Characteristics of an advanced skier would be: the ability to ski most, if not all trails, an ability to ski fast, regular ability to ski off trail, and more traditionally, the ability to link full carving turns at full speed. Looking for something that will be loose enough in tight spots to help compensate for my bad technique but not be a disaster on icy conditions we get all too frequently here in Australia. Any other length would be too short. I noticed right away that the binding mount point seems to be too far forward, making it feel like the ski has too much tail. Great ski choice! Youre going to get better firm snow performance from the 88, but the Escaper is just a whole lot of fun. Your email address will not be published. Im switching over from a racing ski (Atomic SL9) at 155, but Im looking for something longer. Skill wise, youll be able to control your speed with snowplowing, wedging, or forming a pizza. 102-72-91.5 The Escaper does have a fair amount of tip and tail rocker in its shape, so it will ski a bit shorter. Have fun! HI Jim! Trying to replace 2015 Atomic Vantage Theory 132-95-121 cut in 186 length. For your stats and application, Id look to the low 170s for length. The -2 cm also says directional next to it. Blues, blacks if not too choppy, a few bumps but mostly frontside. Thanks for the great info! I like to ski fast and push my boundaries. I wanted to grow into something and classify myself as a true intermediate when I skied more often. The Volkl Rise Beyond would be an ideal choice for a 50/50 resort/skinning ski. It's entirely possible and very common for boots with the same Mondo Point to have different Boot Sole Lengths. Camber underfoot keeps the ski snappy and poppy, as well as increasing edge grip and stability in technical and steep terrain. Nope! Hi Samantha! Not to mention, theyre pretty fun in the resort as well! Advanced intermediate skier here who goes about 10 Advanced skier who skis out West at Whistler. Ive demod these twice at my PNW resort (wet snow, rare pow) and am interested in picking them up in a 172 but was surprised they had me on a mans ski! 172 cm length all the way! Finding your Boot Sole Length (BSL) is easy. Youve made it to the next level in skiing. TIA. 100% in the Rockies but moving to the East Coast next summer. I like tree runs on more mellow slopes, and I like soft bumps but avoid hard, icy bumps like the plague. He, too, was on the 178 and noted it was a good length for him. SE. I currently am on some 2016 Icelantic Pioneers that I really enjoy but they are 182cm length and I feel they are not helping me in getting better at carving. Could your recommed this for my one ski quiver or perhaps look elsewhere? I am 41, 510 and 245 and havent skied in 15 years, but am getting back into it. I would consider myself intermediate/advanced. At 94 mm underfoot and with a gradual tip rocker profile, the ski has good flotation in softer snow but when the ski is on edge, the tip profile provides solid edge contact. Im looking at the 172 length. Its a unisex ski so not a mans ski by any means. Have fun! I am 61, 57 and 160 lbs. Im a 66 yo intermediate, 6ft 180lbs and havent skied for a few years due to covid and injuries. 28.5). On the groomers hell run pretty aggressive. Maybe its my techniquebut maybe not. Just wanted to see if that might be too short? The rule of thumb for skate poles is that they should come between your lip and your nose. I am 5 10 well over 300 lbs I am mainly ski on groomers but have buddies that will push me into the trees. In most cases, this is the right call, but skiers should be geo-conscious before buying more than they can handle. SE. If you love trees, the Escaper is the way to go. Not a whole lot of limitations for that ski, from carving on softer groomers to floating through the fresh and dancing through the trees. Powder is likely the most common reason to adjust your ski size, but other specialties such as ski racing, park skiing, and moguls can all skew what size is proper for you. Lightweight for the climb, versatile for the descent in a variety of conditions. Im 58, 190 lbs advanced skier. The Holy Shred will give you more soft snow/powder compliance with its wider waist (98cm compared to the Escapers 94cm waist) The Holy Shred is also a twin tipped ski compared to a flatter tailed, more directional ski in the Escaper. You guys are awesome with responding to questions so heres another one for ya. Advanced: This might be one of the hardest groups to identify. My favorite part of the ski is the snappy energy coming out of the turn, and thanks to the width and shape borrowed from the wider Sender skis in the line, its a great product for deeper and softer snow while keeping the precise and grippy feel of a narrower ski. Theyre a bit wide for on-piste only, but a lot of skiers really like that extra stability of the wider platform. I think the Rustler, with its partial metal laminate makes the most sense for your application. Find your street shoe size on the chart, determine men's, women's, or kid's, and find the corresponding Mondo size! Pretty good! Youre likely still pretty cautious in regards to your speed, but are able to stop on demand and have a bit more confidence that youll make it to the bottom in one piece. I made really good progress since then and feel totally confident even on black groomers by now. Im skiing in Idaho. Fitting cross country skis is different then fitting alpine skis. Volkl Blaze 94 and Fischer Ranger 94 FR come to mind as comparative models, but I dont suggest looking too much farther than the Escaper. Do you recommend purchasing a bit long on the Escapers, like on the Skys? Not quite as grippy or stable as the Rustler on-trail, but certainly a quicker and more maneuverable woods ski. That said, the QST has more rocker and a shorter turn radius, so it feels nimble and agile like a lighter ski. Other hints that you're looking at the Mondo Point and not the BSL would be if it looks something like "270/275" or if the number is found on the bottom of the boot. The other skis are on the heavy/stiff side of the spectrum, so unless you know that you want something with more of a burly personality I would put in strong votes for Elan and Rossi. Volkl Blaze 94 also comes to mind as a very comparable model. We demoed the 164 and he loved them. They seem a little heavy?Thanks! It sounds like the more carving-oriented Force 9 is a better fit for your application. Could the Escaper be the ski that Im looking for? Hi Steven! As I am not planning to push myself to the limits neither on groomers, nor in backcountry (trying to ride at 90-ish% of my capabilities) I found this ski would be a good choice to use on groomers and backcountry alike. I am 67 and 510 175 pounds. I have a hard choice to make for the next season. I am an intermediate skier looking to get into alpine touring. The Escaper is a great new offering, hoping to take over where the Sky left off, but also add some new details and things to like of its own. For classic or touring poles, the correct size pole should reach your armpit. SE, Im 63 , 185lbs, advanced skiier(. SE. I tend to ski very fast on blue groomers but slow it down on blacks to avoid going too fast to stop. Have fun! So its either going to be the 178 or the 186 with the 186 also carrying more speed. We pair them with Tyrolia Attack 13 bindings with a 95 mm brake. My son is 13. If youve looked all over and still cant find your BSL, its also acceptable to measure along the bottom of the boot from the very tip of the toe, to back of the heel- just make sure you measure in Millimeters! For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Im 60-years old, 5-11 and 180lbs. Think of it as a shoe size, like a "size 11" for example. Hi there, Im having trouble deciding between the Rossi escaper & the experience 92Ti ( and possibly the holy shred). Can you talk about the difference in feel at the 2 different mount points? I think that due to the lightness of the ski, you could size up, especially if you are on the aggressive side of the spectrum. If I were to buy a Black OPS should I be looking at a 172 CM ? Then rocker technology came along, and, long story short, theres way more room for preference and interpretation than ever before. Thanks a lot! More weight means the skis will feel softer, and shorter. Even in a non-twin tip. The boot sole length is the literal length from toe to heel of that boot, measured in millimeters. Still have questions? Also on the 178, Phil McGrory wished for a longer pair (186) but that didn't stop some high scores from popping up on his sheet. I rented 172s while out west and really liked them but was told I can go longer. Skiing in Park City mostly. I dont think theyre great at 60, but certainly consistent 30s are attainable. This is the number that our ski techs will use to mount your bindings. Finding the proper length ski pole is important as ski poles too long will actually shift your center of balance to behind you, and a pole that's too short will put it in front of you. With a 19-meter turn radius, a full wood core and the Blackops adventure attitude, the Escaper might not seem as cool as the Senders or Holyshreds of the Rossignol world, but they're going to find a good following with a wide variety of skiers, and that's just how we like it. Have fun! SE. Other skis to consider, Elan Ripstick 96, Volkl Kanjo. So fun and intuitive, I think thats a great ski choice in the right length. 1800 isnt too bad for weight and an upgrade to 94mm could make quite a difference. If the number you see has a decimal, then youre probably looking at your Mondo Point size which isnt accurate enough to use when mounting bindings. So you can measure yourself, or you can just check out our handy-dandy chart below. Your email address will not be published. If you measure a Men's 8/Mondopoint 26, please select 26.5, for example. I am tempted to purchase now, but I am also considering waiting until the 2022 models come out and I am trying to figure out the correct length. SE. How will these work out for me? Light and agile, but floaty and stable at the same time. A lot of groomers these days with my son. We'll touch on it a few times, but there're a lot of different names going on with the Blackops line from Rossignol this year, and I promise, we'll all get through it together. If you know youre not an Intermediate skier still, but arent quite confident enough to call yourself an expert, then chances are this is you. Im 58, 43 yrs old, advanced level, but dont ski too aggressive. Youre that good at skiing. Id narrow focus to the Experience and the Escaper, with the Experience serving as the stronger carving ski on the list and the Escaper the wider and more playful option. The Rossi is great, but is better-suited for softer snow and more versatility. Mostly ski black/blue but nothing crazy these days. The Escaper is an awesome choice for Sin 7 skierslight, agile, and yet still surprisingly stable. Just a great one-ski quiver. The Enforcer is great, but does prefer to be used at higher speeds and is a bit heavier than the others. What length would you recommend? Still, pretty high average scores for these versatile sticks. I also prefer the 99 to the 93 because when the skis are so light, I like to have a bit more material underfoot, but thats just a personal preference that Ive developed over the years. I really wanna start going off-piste though and plan to take some lessons this season. Im going to be on 98% groomers with an occasional peek into the woods. Ill do some woods trails and some groomed as well. Im currently skiing some old 185cm Rossi phantoms 80mm under foot so am unfamiliar with all the rocker stuff. SE, I am an advanced skier who lives in the mountains and I ski about 50 days a year. I primarily ski out west with about 80% groomed slopes, 10% mogul, and 10% crud. Escaper seems perfect but what length should I get? Stable enough for hardpack days on groomers but also playful and nimble enough for off-trail skiing. Id look to the mid-170s for any of these skis, so perhaps availability will sway a decision? HI Mitchell! Current skis are Head rock n roll 180s which I absolutely love except on tight narrow trails and tight trees with luge tracks. Really good reviewI have been back and forth on these and the Holyshreds. I am looking for a powder ski that is easy to use for when we get dumps in the midwest as well as trips west. When the groomers are all clumpy, lumpy and bumpy, I find these skis difficult to use. Have fun and welcome back. Its not the widest ski out there, but at 94 mm underfoot, its got more than enough for your run of the mill snow day. He's not the only one picking up on that effort to reward ration. Hi! Too short, and you'll find your forearm angled downward. The shorter length will give you much better maneuverability, less swing weight and will really help your carving game. Check the charts below to see which size you need. I like the extra stability on groomers, and with 102mm waist widths, the extra length allows me to use these skis in light powder on those rare East Coast days. SE. I am struggling with what length 164 or 172. With a bit of extra length, the skis will have a more accurate flex and better weight distribution. Stable enough for hardpack days on groomers but also playful and nimble enough for off-trail skiing. SE. Most intermediate skiers will be tempted to wander off trail, but may not be brave enough quite yet. Should I scrap this idea all together? You get nice lateral acceleration out if it without too much work." Last season I skied on the Nordica Enforcer 94s at 178cm and I loved themthey were speedy, floated well, and handled pretty much everything, except for carving aggressive short turns. Ive been skiing on Line Prophet 98s for nearly 10-years. My old skis have been fun but they are also very demanding. Nothing crazy. Thanks, Thomas! We had pretty consistent, across the board enthusiasm for the Escaper these past two years in our ski tests. This is what used to be referred to as Expert until rocker skis came along and let experts go back to over head ski lengths. Atomic Savor 5 Skis Beginner: Chances are youll know if this is you. Have fun! Because ski bindings are so precise, it's crucial to have them mounted to the BSL and not the Mondo Point. thx. SE. Jeff Neagle skied the 178 cm length Escaper and found that the strengths were more in the quickness and maneuverability direction versus the strength and stability. Try to get off piste more but my old heavy skis arent capable. You can certainly get burlier skis if you want, some slightly burlier are Fischer Ranger 92 Ti, Black Crows Serpo, or Blizzard Rustler 9. Recommended will make the ski more turny and a bit slower, which some skiers equate to being more playful. I was about to purchase them until I saw these. I live in East Coast and really enjoy Rossignol Experience 88 Ti at 173 for skiing groomers. Ski lengths on our chart above will fall somewhere between your nose and eyebrows. I think this is the ski I am looking for, but would look at anything else you might recommend. Its pretty comparable to the Volkl Blaze 94, both in build and shape and performance. Off piste should be both fine. What ski would you recommend to accomplish my needs What size ski? SE. I dont have the same recommendation with the Escaper as the Sky. Im 56 and 165lbs. I asked the same thing on the Sky 7s. Talk to a Skier: href='/Chairlift-Chat/DPS-Phantom-2-Wax-System-Explanation'. Im thinking these skis would be a solid choice since Ive read theyre all mountain. 178cm length for the Escaper all the way! Id go with the 164. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. The other skis are greatlight and playful and energetic, they just lack a bit of the stability on firm snow that the metal in the Rustler provides. The next really tough decision are the bindings. It's more of a narrow freeride ski versus a wider all-mountain ski, just because the build has more in line with an off-piste ski, similar to that of the Sky 7. Hi, I am 62, currently 240 lbs but would like to drop a little, and I have been considering the Escaper for a while now. Ski both East & West Coast. SE, hi Im an intermediate to advanced skiier, looking for an all around skii 63 270lbs I bought the 187s but I just want to make sure my stats match the sky. Andrew, Looking for Some Guidance? Im 510, 195ish, 29yr old guy with strong legs, an advanced skier and historically like to rip groomers, hit small jumps near the sides of the trail and venture off trail when theres fresh, soft snow to be found. Medium to fast skier, enjoy quick turns, skiing edges of trails and a little bit of trees but also want something that can handle ice. Were huge fans of the Escaper for both a Resort and AT ski. Here in the Eastern townships Quebec our hills get pretty icy, so looking for a ski that will be great for the climb (most important), but handle well on a descent that might be a little bumpy and icy. Much better edge grip. At 511 and 235lbs Im unsure if the 172 or 178 is the right length. The Kore is more in line with the Escaper in terms of weight, but a bit stiffer like the Rustler. The good news is that the all around quality of skis is increasing, making it more possible than ever to find a ski that fits your specific style and preferences. Required fields are marked *. HI Gregg! The 2021 Rossignol Black Ops Escaper skis are built for playfulness and all-mountain versatility. While I was impressed with both for sure, I think the QST holds a slightly more special place in my heart for 50/50 skiing. Have fun! Your height puts you in the 172 while your weight and need for speed are in the 178 range. A nice comparison would be the Volkl Blaze 94 or Fischer Ranger 94 FR, but really any of these skis will offer a really positive experience. SE. At your stats, we would recommend the 178cm length for sure. It sounds like you are still leaning to the lighter skis that offer more versatility. On occasion there is powder but more likely we are skiing packed or chopped conditions. Is the 178 going to ski much shorter than my 180 rock n roll which has a very slight nose rocker or should I concede to the reality of aging and go to 172? Id also put in a strong vote for the QST being a better floater due to the rocker and taper. To determine your size, simply flip a ski pole over, grab it under the basket, and place the handle on the ground. Used to ski Volkl Bridges until they got rid of the camber. More of a beginning intermediate and was wondering if the 156 or the 164 be good on handling crud. Most of the people that I ski with arent nearly as fast as me and as I get older Im starting to care less about sending it with reckless abandon as fast as I can back to the ski lift. Im fairly athletic but 45. What length would you recommend.? I am looking for recommendations for an all-mountain ski that will keep me skiing the same ratio with the occasional powder after a snow fall. Then parabolic shapes came along. Any other recommendations? Thinking about the Escaper or the Nordica Soul Rider or maybe Blizzard Rustler. Until now I only used rental skis which were mostly entry level models between 168 and 176cm and around 75cm underfoot. I do most of my skiing out west (Colorado, Utah and Flagstaff, AZ) and Id say about 75% on/ 25% off-piste. I ski blue and black and dont mind steeps but will not ski any moguls past blue. I am skiing on 3 pairs of Rossignol sin 7 and I love them. Lots of fun stuff going on with the new Blackops line. Escaper is lighter and wider, and thatll be great for mostly trees, but not quite the grip or hold on-piste as the 88s. While youll still need a final adjustment done before you can ski, providing us with your boot sole length is absolutely crucial if youd like us to send your skis pre-mounted with your bindings. Hi Brian! recommendations appreciated. For the past few years Ive been using a burly 180cm length 120mm underfoot plank (Albritton Tomichi) as a daily driver for no reason other than I was able to buy them used for cheap and I thought they looked cool. , Hi Simon! I read the reviews on Rossignol Black Ops Escaper, Armada Declivity 92Ti, K2 Mindbender 99Ti, Elan Ripstick 96 Black Edition, Dynastar M-Pro 99, Vokkl M6 Mantra, Nordica Enforcer 100, and Head Kore 93. With a great shape for any and all snow conditions, the skis are equally at home in fresh powder as they are on firm groomers. Would these be good when the slope is all hacked up and what size would you recommend. I could go to an 86 or 88 but want a 1 ski quiver for OS powder trips. We ski off the groomers as much as possible when the snow is good. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Also, what width bindings do you recommend for this ski? Another thing of note, I have a 4 year old Im teaching to ski on top of that and want something that keeps me pretty nimble to be able to help him. Light, quick, and stable for those characteristics, so they do make a well-rounded 50/50 ski. The Escaper model in the Blackops line basically takes the place of the Sky 7, offering a bit of a narrower ski that has the same overall character, but with some new Blackops freeride twists. The back tip felt like it would come loose as I became more comfortable and aggressive. Age: 23/24Height: 6'1"Weight: 190 lbs. SE. A great blend of a lot of different attributes for sure. Since you are primarily skiing groomers, stick with the Rispstick 88. I think the 156 in the Escaper is a great choice. I prefer trees, some steeps and moguls (when they arent rock hard) but need to do frontside runs with friends and family, so I dont want something that chatters on the groomers. Hi, Im an east coast skier 58 205lb and am trying to decide on length. Yup, Id say thats correct, and a really fun and awesome ski, too! SE. It used to be that if you extended your arm upwards, you should be able to reach the tips of your skis. Use: This is a question thats most relevant to advanced or expert skiers: Where are you skiing? Im 43, 510 175lbs advanced intermediate splitting equal time between east and west about 70% black groomers 30% other. Thanks in advance for your feedback. Im an upper-intermediate skier that skis mostly groomers and some trees (probably 75%/25%). HI Chuck! Have fun! 4's for versatility, forgiveness, quickness, and maneuverability were the high points while a 3 for torsional stiffness was the low score. Myself? Im 14, 58 150 lbs, and have been skiing since I was 3, so probably intermediate-advanced. Narrower, stiffer skis will give you trouble trying to make turns at slow speeds, and tight, shorter turns as well in trees and bumps. Torn between these and the Salomon force 9. I am 41 and getting back into skiing, but havent skied in 15 years, I was a true intermediate back in the day and am confident Ill be at that level again in no time. I am an upper intermediate to advanced skier. Looking for a ski to take to Colorado several time a season for a mix of groomer and off piste skiing. While this isnt a free pass to say screw all that, I know I need 210s!, it is an official recognition that different skiers have different preferences which can easily change the length of ski they purchase. Given a choice Ill always explore off piste rather than the groomers. Have fun! I think the Escaper and the Ripstick are two of the best choices on your list, as they offer a ton of well-rounded performance to go along with light weight and quick turns. HiI am trying to pick a good size of Escaper they seem to tick all the boxes Im after in a ski. Id go with the 164 in that skimuch more consistent flex and rocker versus the Sky with its dramatic rocker and taper, and very light tips and tails. Now Im going back and forth a bit. On the slightly narrower side, the Rossignol Experience 84 is more of an all-mountain upgrade from your R2s. I would say 186 is on the long side, but not too long. At 94 mm underfoot and with no metal, the skis are going to be quick, easy to turn, and hold a decent edge on hardpack. There are numerous ski choices including some I have not mentioned. Have been skiing 1-2 weeks/year for 50+ years primarily in the east. The mondo point size is the generic boot size that every boot maker uses it. Moving the rental binding back one click helped a bit. I like a nice carving ski on piste mostly 75%. Of course if you don't have ski poles to try this out on, you can always use the chart below. I am currently skiing Hero Elite ST (love em) at 165? Escaper is lighter and quicker while the QST 98 is a bit heavier and more stable. Intermediate: Congratulations! Id stick to the mid-160s for sizing if youre comfy on that. Most of his scores were 4's out of 5, and that's pretty well lined up with what we'd expect from a mid-90's underfoot ski without metal. I want to purchase my first set of skis, but unsure if these are the right ones. Looking for a ski in the 90s range to ski groomers & some trees, and challenge on the blacks. It has a fairly flat tail that likes to hang onto turns, which is great for carving but not great for bumps, trees, and off-piste. and experience 80 at 167. Youll see a huge improvement in crud and chop with the Escaper, and the good news is that theyre not too demanding, so youll be able to handle them quite well. Thanks for your reply! Escaper seems to be a good choice. Would you recommend these? I just got back into skiing after a 15 year layoff. As I still want good performance on groomers, I guess due to the metal Holy would be better. My belief is that ski companies put different lines on the skis for marketing purposes, to get you to ask questions like these. I am considering Rossi Blackops Escaper so I can keep up with my buddy when I go to Whistler. SE, Did forget to ask about the Head Kore 93s or 99s. Its more of a narrow freeride ski versus a wider all-mountain ski. No need to go with that 172 length as it will ski shorter, and based on your height and weight, will be way too short of a ski length for you. Any opinion about which ski might be a better choice? I would go 188 the Risptick. Hi Morry, Have fun! And if so, dare I size up to the 186 in hopes of better soft snow performance and stability at speed? Help! Id look to the 183 in that ski for you. We normally pair those skis with either the Marker Griffon or the Tyrolia Attack 13/14 binding. I ski about 7 to 10 days a year and learned to ski back east 30 years ago and always had an all-mountain ski. My favorite runs are the rare groomed black diamonds, but I will also ski ungroomed black and double-black when the snow is good. HI Ross! Instead of fitting the ski by height, the skis that we carry are fit by weight. In that low to mid 90s range, Id also check out the Fischer Ranger 94 FR and the Blizzard Rustler 9, but I dare say youll get what you need from the Escaper for sure. For skiing in interior BC where soft snow and powder are pretty consistent, go for the Holy Shred.
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