If a water pump fails before it should, remember to check for these installation errors when trying to locate the origin of the problem. Available today. "1LE" GTO in progress Two gallons of coolant and two gallons of distilled water. It's sometimes debated which is more efficient but vane quantity and/or size is often an advertising point of the manufacturer. Good for warranty exchange. This charge of the circuit can reduce the chance of a mechanical seal loss. Advertising - 2. If it is a Motorcraft pump, it will either have the Ford logo, or FoMoCo cast into the body. This includes engine, drivetrain and non-drivetrain discussions. During coolant flushes, completely draining and using the correct fluid as replacement are paramount. Here are four common mistakes that even a pro can make installing a water pump. The introduction of pauses or lapses in the coolant (usually air) can temporarily break and overheat that mechanical seal, which can then cause other problems. Stamped steel or a cast impeller. Available today. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. 4th Gen High Performance and Accessories 2010 and Up, 4th Gen Engine and Drivetrain-2010 and Up, 3rd Gen High Performance and Accessories (5.9L Only), 3rd Gen High Performance and Accessories (6.7L Only), 3rd Gen Engine and Drivetrain -> 2003-2007, 3rd Gen Engine and Drivetrain -> 2007 and up, 3rd Generation Ram - Non Drivetrain - All Years, Natl. A misaligned belt that isnt fully engaging the water pumps pulley is another concern, as it can put undue pressure on the pulley and shaft. Available today. Privacy Statement - Manage Preferences - Terms of Service - I've smoothed it out with 220/400/600 sandpaper, and will replace the o-ring. I think mine has given up the ghost. Available today. The difference could also be shaft dia. Water pumps are generally reliable, at least compared to the good old days. On a modern engine, its not at all uncommon for a water pump to last longer than the vehicle. Available today. Sponsored Content:OE CV Axle Trends for Todays More Demanding Drivetrains, Sponsored Content:FUEL TANK CLEANING CAN EXTEND THE LIFE A FUEL PUMP, Sponsored Content:The Importance of Changing Cabin Air Filters for the Winter, Sponsored Content:High Quality, Low Viscosity Oil Provides Benefits in All Climates, Research: Overheard: Producer Price Index, Ups and Downs, Collision: Driven Brands Acquires Tennessee-Based Jack Morris Auto Glass, Personnel: Pepper Wilson Joins AASA as Marketing Manager. When a seal from a tube is recommended, properly applying and allowing for enough drying time are best practices. Pressed on back cover. Cookie Policy - Notice they have a standard New pump and a Heavy Duty NEW aluminum water pump. Is it better to use the Permatex High Performance or High Temp thread sealant on the water pump bolts? Archive - It is listed on backorder till 3/4/2022. Improper Belt Components An improper seating, damaged seal, or misaligned gasket can mean the water pump is not operating efficiently or, worse, is under undue stress from misalignment. Bolted on back cover. Should have done that with the corvette and didn't so this time around I'll be going with Mezeire wp. I'm using the pressed on cover AC Delco without issues. O'Reilly's Murray pumps seem to have the most positive (fewest negative?) I just found the expensive ACDelco on eBay and bought it. 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FWIW I got 2 different bad out of the box Murray water pumps from oreillys last week. Not wanting to pay 150 bucks for an indian made cummins pump with a low flow un-shrouded 5 blade impeller this time around! Weep hole, it's the pump. I've done a lot of searching since posting this. Adding to the mess is the fact that the service manager I worked with is now gone. This should be the identical OEM replacement. The chances are that either one of those AZ pumps are made in China and I would question the overall quality. I went with a Gates water pump on my 98 maybe a year and a half ago and have had no issues since then. Available today. What should I get? According to reviews this does not last long. Not having much luck on finding a second hand pump, given that most of these are going to be at least 15 years old, I'm not sure I want to go that route. Also to note, I can get the cheap ACDelco from Amazon for $90 shipped and I'll have it tomorrow. 2005 PBM M6- Kooks headers, FAST102, BC coilovers, CTS-V brakes. comments, and I'm leaning that direction. I agree to receive emails from the site. Bolted on back cover. Bolted on back cover. General discussion on the Ford 1997 - 2003 F150 truck. Bolted on back cover. A lot of their stuff is junk but not everything. ac delco off ebay, My last ebay one lasted years and Id do it again. Bringing this back up: Needing a water pump for my 1993 engine that is streaming coolant out of the weep hole. Terms of Service - 2022 Supplier Excellence Award, Mentoring Takes the Mystery Out of Advisory Councils, ADAS Market Projected to Reach $57.90 Billion by 2030, J.D. What style was stock, and I'm guessing it's better to go with the Heavy Duty version? Cookie Policy - Advertising - I think meziere says their pumps use 10-11 amps when running. As that is made for sealing paper gaskets, etc. I bought a $30 duralast one from Autozone over a year ago (Knock on wood) truck still drives like a beast. Every time there is a warranty exchange I'm out $30 in coolant, water and gaskets. I blew through several high volume "HD" pumps on my small block Ford including two Stewart pumps. Come discuss mods, horsepower, engine specs and more! About Us - Archive - Well, it's been a few days with no responses, so I guess there aren't many who are familiar with them. Pretty sure I spent 200 on mine. Terms of Service - When coolant flows through the water pump without air bubbles or breaks, this mechanical seal remains intact. Also it seems I've read the HD pump flows more than the standard version. For this reason, when refilling the cooling circuit after replacement of the pump, many shop manuals recommend the pump be hand-rotated until its full. Do Not Sell My Personal Information -, By logging into your account, you agree to our. I decided I didn't trust the new "heavy duty" pump prior to putting it on the new motor, so I opened it up to coat both sides of the very flimsy looking gasket with sealant. Reproduction ORVIS XJ package exterior decals | Interest wanted, Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1, The following errors occurred with your submission, Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, https://www.ls1gto.com/threads/i-smell-it-where-to-look-for-small-coolant-leak.846120/#post-21718209. FlowKooler 1670 - $209.99 at Summit. Abrasive particles and engine oils are the most common contaminants that wreak havoc in a water pump. My old stock water pump had visible vanes. Anybody have a coupon code for O'Reilly or Autozone they could share? Gasket, it's usually the install. Good for warranty exchange. The area it's supposed to seal against isn't perfectly smooth due to some voids in the block casting. Water pumps are generally reliable and hearty components in a cars engine. The pump itself appears to be fine. 2022 Elrond-mobile Model Y Performance, 2010 Ram TRX. Still, despite their reliability, its often a good idea to replace a water pump during the course of normal maintenance. My philosophy would be, if you can't get an OEM level AC Delco get the cheapest one with the best warranty. Looking at basic water pumps at Autozone for L98. From my research - they're all listed as counter-clockwise rotation, and have the same bolt pattern/spacing, and same diameter pulley. All ZJ/WJ/WK Non-modified/stock questions go here! Contact Us - .750 vs .625. Murray CP5081 - $154.99 at O'reilly. Location: Lacey WA RVN 68-69. May just go with the HD pump. It was $17 more than what Summit lists it for, but it's in stock. I can unsubscribe anytime to withdraw my consent. The part number is 42004. That's not horrible if it turns out to be the correct casting. Privacy Statement - I'm going to go ahead with the installation of this one, but will go with a MC unit if this one fails. ACDelco 12681185 251-744 - $227.99 at Summit. Contaminated coolant or coolant with improper chemistry can cause seal failures, corrosion, and more. Failing to do so can result in seal problems. It is listed on backorder till 12/20/2021. I searched the forum and the consensus it to get the ACDelco expensive option that is basically an exact new factory replacement. The coolant was leaking from the o-ring seal. Bad Coolant ACDelco 19195105 252-846 - $127.99 at Summit. Re-using old seals or making due with the wrong seal is another common problem. I put a Duralast unit in mine. It turns out that the pump(s) installed were *not* Motorcraft, but aftermarket, brand unknown. Even though it *should* still be under warranty, I'm considering cutting my losses, and just doing the replacement myself. Read our Privacy Policy for more info. The dealership provided me with a new O'Reilly (Murray) unit and a gallon of coolant this afternoon. 1. All ZJ,WJ & WK aftermarket tech goes here. There are no better hoses than authentic GM hoses. My brief search has come up with the following options: I'll be going with an electric water pump. Duralast EWP-9189 - $154.99 at Autozone. I've had luck with Gates as an aftermarket pump. The thinking is that its cheaper and safer to replace a water pump than to let it fail, especially if removing and replacing a water pump can be done for only an incremental cost. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here, Modified Grand Cherokee Tech. 2006 M6 GTO: John Doe's old ride. There's many choices, compare the AZ product to theirs? Thanks, guys. So now I'm back at the drawing board. Anything prior to 1994 should go in here. JavaScript is disabled. Ford F150 Forum - Community of Ford Truck Fans. They don't make those anymore. Do Not Sell My Personal Information -, By logging into your account, you agree to our. and Regional Chapters / Special Events, Dodge Cummins Water Pump Comparison- Tech Info - Dodge Cummins Diesel Forum. As others have noted, impeller construction is very important for pump design. The drive belt for the water pump can be either the timing belt/chain for the vehicle or a serpentine/accessory belt. Most people seem to swear by the MC pump, and frankly, I'm surprised by the failures. Cookie Policy - What would be the closest in terms of quality and longevity? Also they want new cheap pump money for them, $75+ and shipping charges on top of that. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I probably only have 5K miles on it though. Stock Grand Cherokee Tech. Contact Us - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -, By logging into your account, you agree to our. Archive - OH , and as an aside and info pertaining to Oliver's question - the newer style cummins pumps are made in USA, check out Geno's and their pics to confirm: I did not know about the flow difference in the shrouded and unshrouded versions.good to know! If you're just street driving, basic Chevy water pumps are as rock solid as the oiling systems came from the factory. Year: 1998 Classic (I'll get it running soon.) and 02 Grand. I don't think the HD water pump on this has anything to do with the size of the pulley since you reuse the factory pulley. Cookie Policy - Actually I had thought about doing that. Faulty seals are the most common reason for failure. Airtex AW5081 - $88.79 at Rockauto. Other Vehicles. The ones that are available locally are $155 and are easier for warranty exchange. Now, I was *told* that's what these have been, but have no verifiable proof. The wrong coolant, which can happen, and bad coolant, which is more common, can cause issues for the water pump. Edelbrock 8896 - $434.95 at Summit. Probably will use Permatex High Temp or High Performance thread sealant for the bolt threads and heater hose pipe. I doubt it flows more water if the pulley diameter remains the same. Meziere is a good choice unless you are road racing. Pretty sure you can get if off of Amazon but the price may have gone up due to the virus going around. The mechanical seal within the water pump is created by the steady flow of fluid within the pump itself. Unfortunately I cannot find anyone that has one in stock. Since you failed to post where it's leaking, hard saying what's at fault. No more GTO. Stamped metal impellers can fail at high RPM in high volume applications. Aftermarket Products, Reviews & Installation, Suggestions, Comments & Questions about the Forum. Tendeco's John Lussier Sits Down with AMN Drivetime [VIDEO], Auto Pros Visit Str Automotive, Mooresville, NC, Driven Brands Acquires Tennessee-Based Jack Morris Auto Glass, Pepper Wilson Joins AASA as Marketing Manager, Chery Establishes New Connected Vehicle Research Institute, Alfa e-Parts Announces Pressure Sensor Release, Navistar Awards T/CCI Mfg. Parts quality across the board of ANY brand has been a complete wash for several years now . Actually it's maybe a good value to purchase/investigate at least a premium product for a C4 water pump. If excess sealant is applied to the gasket and it flows into the coolant system and the pumps shaft seal, it can cause seal failure in a matter of miles. Discussion for all Dodge Rams prior to 1994. Available today. Advertising - LS1GTO.com is a forum community dedicated to the LS1 Pontiac GTO. I've got GM upper and lower hoses on now that I'll reuse as I put them on a few years ago to replace the original factory GM hoses. Contact Us - Seems fine. Advertising - Available today locally. If either is installed incorrectly or if other components driven by the belt seize or have rotational problems, this can affect water pump performance and eventually lead to failure. I just put a Motorcraft pump in my Escape, and here's a pic. you can see FoMoCo in this casting. Available today. Not spending over 150 for a dam water pump. Tuff Stuff 1310C - $268.99 at Summit. Bolted on back cover. Which doesn't count AC/Delco hoses as those are just aftermarket. Contact Us - Terms of Service - Guessing maybe it has better bearings too. During the course of water pump replacement, its possible for even the most experienced tech to make a mistake that will lead to premature pump failure. Dayco DP1317 - $95.79 at Rockauto. When I opened up the pump, I noticed the vanes were not visible and instead a circular enclosure with vanes. A word of caution from personal experience. Bad Seals I bought one of the non-shrouded ones from Rock Auto, I can't remember which, but it actually interfaced with the metal inside when it was tightened down and wouldn't turn. It seems that for every person who recommends "X" brand, there's someone who's had problems with them. 4. Do Not Sell My Personal Information -, By logging into your account, you agree to our. I would suggest going with an AC-Delco Professional Grade pump. Submit your company's info for the top suppliers list! Gates 45002 - $79.79 at Rockauto. Don't the later cummins water pumps turn the opposite way? Getting a new AC/Delco gasket from the dealer, clean/remove the gasket on there and coat the new gasket both sides with the Permatex Super High Tack Gasket Sealant.

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