But yeah, I am getting mold/mildew on my studs too. The items youll need include: First, prepare the area by following these steps: Follow these steps to properly install the boards: If youre using any top trim, make sure its installed before starting with the battens. I live in Vermont. THanks! Between furring strips and through mineral wool to the framing first? Part of it I learned from a master boat builder and the antifreeze portion actually stabilizes the wood if you make enough applications on it to really soak it in. Also, check out the Victoria illustrated guide to R22+ effective walls construction guide If the sheathing isnt solid, the laborer will need to first attach horizontal furring strips. Im not sure which but it had no shine to it. Like all Eric's blogs it's worth a look. "}},{"@type":"Question","name":"What size boards do you use for board and batten siding? This bit of permeability allows for a some outward drying. Great info in the Victoria, BC, link you provided. 2. Any ideas for how to get the rainscreen effect behind vertical boards, without excessive complexity or framing? Unless you are in wild fire area, I would stick to either unfaced EPS or permeable poyiso. In Japan there is a temple made of Japanese Red Cedar finished with the Shou Sugi Ban finish. page 17 shows Fastener tables and minimum strapping size for foam vs. mineral wool per different cladding weights. Start at one corner of your house and make your way around. Good info. I loved the Rockwool installation guide. window bucks are nice guides too. If moisture is a problem however then there has been a failure in design or in the building process. https://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/homemade-mildew-preventers-that-really-work. Probably less so with clapboards than panels. No issue. With Shou Sugi Ban you are stuck with it for the life of the cladding. "}},{"@type":"Question","name":"Can you use pine for board and batten siding? Not knowing your specific problem I cant even surmise how to advise and be of help. Although the material is cost-effective and quite beautiful, its less durable and has been known to have a much shorter lifespan than other materials, such as cedar or James Hardie. I found another way to meet the code requirements for extra energy efficiencyair sealing and a heat recovery ventilatorwhich I am sure I'll be posting questions about shortly. Here's the hardie tech bulletin #19 You can either give us a call to schedule an appointment or continue reading our blog to see how to install board and batten siding yourself. Others are saying that 1x4 strips will flex and result in a non-flat plane for hardie panel. When I pulled the tarp back I had a nasty surprise. 1. Does anyone have any complaints or hesitation or warnings about installing hardie board siding? Once you have it centered and plumb, install the nails on the bottom, top, and also once every 18-24 along the battens length. Thanks for weighing in, Malcolm and Wannabe :). It gives great detail in just about every situation. Hardy-Panels with Hardi-trim on a rain-screen, all at 16"oc. I have called hardie tech/installation support 2-3 times and gotten slightly different information different times. Does anyone here have experience with that? The complete source for building, designing, and remodeling green homes. Get an estimate or schedule your appointment today, Home | How to do it | Board and Batten Siding Installation. Thanks. Wear a mask and keep pets and children away from it. So, what exactly is board and batten siding? Tell us a little bit more details about your project: We have received your request and will contact you during business hours. Looking at hardie clapboard siding installs in my area, the nailing is sometimes blind (under the following course) rather than through two layers, as people are suggesting here. Remove anything else that might get in the way of your siding installation, including downspouts, moldings, and lighting fixtures. https://www.victoria.ca/assets/Departments/Planning~Development/Permits~Inspections/Example~Plans/Illustrated-Guide-R22-Effective-Walls-In-Wood-Frame-Construction.pdf When would you like this request to be completed? To learn more about installing board and batten siding, or to schedule an appointment for a consultation, please feel free to give us a call anytime at 215-798-9790 or contact us here. https://kimchiandkraut.net/2019/09/21/shou-sugi-ban-siding/. Mountain Cabin, where did you source the window bucks, or did you make them yourself? Its usually recommended that the board and batten is installed onto solid plywood or OSB sheathing. It stains the wood which of course doesn't matter on framing or sheathing. Either option would probably less than 1/2 the cost of the mineral wool setup for same R value. Akos said "There is no point in ripping the 2x4, just use it as is. Youre done! Also labor intensive! It is the water you can work on to control the most easily in your application by ventilation, better rain screen, better flashing above the wood to handle bulk water ect. If the horizontal strapping is keeping you up at night then you could alway install a bumpy house wrap like Hydro Gap, Tyvek Stucco wrap, or cedar breather under the strapping- offering a small space for drainage. If I went with the 5/16 thick hardie boards, then the 3/4 furring strips that I was told is ok, doesn't compute with the allowed 1.25 inch nails - 5/16 thick board. You can spray the product Boracare on your problem and then sprinkle additional boric acid on it. However, for everything else, its a good idea to attach your boards to the studs wherever possible. This what I am planning: I will be using 3" EPS, on top of tyvec covered sheathing, on top of 2x4 framing on my home reno project. Now that youve finished learning about how to install board and batten siding, its time to get out there and get the job done. When it is, secure the board by installing two nails at the top of the and two to the bottom of the board. The longevity of the finish, and even whether you want to touch the boards, relies on sealing the surface and regularly re-coating. Its possible to use pine for board and batten siding, but its typically not recommended. I would ask them to explain that discrepancy; the corresponding sections in the guide for Hardie Planks has no such discrepancy, which allows for 1.25" roofing nails into either studs or furring strips. WRBs are typically somewhere between 25 and 80 perms. At Legacy Service, we have plenty of experience when it comes to installing any type of siding, including board and batten. The good news is that you can contact our team here at Legacy Service. Did you do this? While its not always necessary to nail board and batten siding into studs, its usually recommended. My wall construction is dissimilar to yours, so that particular issue did not come up. Just to clarify, Hardie doesn't make boards for vertical installation. This should let you install most of their products over 1.5" thick furring. Messes with reproductive capability of mice but wont outright kill them. Recipe here I find their literature much harder to decipher than the Rockwool installation manual, which is amazing (more pictures, less numbers though). You could use one of the netted cedar breathers maybe? The thing that bothers me about this is that the horizontal furring strips ruin the rainscreen effect behind the boards. I have an air gap but water could potentially collect and sit on the furring strips instead of running out of the wall cavity, right? Before you begin with your DIY board and batten siding installation, make sure you know how the entire process works. I think I'll mess around with this on some scraps of fir and cedar, and see how it looks. They are designed to stop bulk-water intrusions, but allow water-vapour to pass through. However, Trevor seems to have done it.was that over some other exterior continuous insulation? Sort of a modern look. I look forward to hearing from anyone with experience dealing with adequate furring strips over rockwool mineral board insulation, for hardie board. Boards should be in good condition. Wow, my neighbor who helps me build sometimes, mentioned this as a possible solution to some moldy boards that are looking ugly. Schedule an appointment by contacting us at 215-798-9790. Place the skirt board at the bottom of where the siding will end, and make sure its level before moving onto the next steps. I don't seem to have taken a picture, but there is a style of siding i'm seeing around my area where strips of hardie panel that are about 12-16 inches wide are mounted horizontally, with flashing between, creating sort of a modern look. I thought the Hardie planks were half inch, but I could be wrong. Also this: You might want to choose another material thats longer-lasting. Remember that if you use boards that are 6 or more than 6 wide, youll have to fasten them by hammering nails in the middle. -0.091x0.221x1.5" ring shank siding nail. If you do not tackle the problem of moisture no amount of Shou Sugi Ban finish will solve the problem. Thanks. Will have to re-read. Adding a layer of Mineral Wool "boards" as exterior insulation/fire protection might also provide a drainage surface given its porous composition under furring strips. that details applying hardie over continuous insulation (including mineral wool). It is well over 100 years old and is doing fine. I'll go into more detail since I happened to look into this issue recently. I have a lot more 2x6's than I need for framing interior walls. Thank you Trevor for that summary of the fastener specs from Hardie. There's a limit to the depth of message nesting, that's why there's no reply option to some messages. I guess Im a little OCD but I feel one building should fit or compliment the other. The workaround is to reply to the message it was in response to. Keep going until you reach the other corner of the house. Were 100% dedicated to customer service; we take our customer reviews and A+ rating from the Better Business Bureau very seriously. A few tips. Ripping a 2x4 would be a way to spend 1/2 the money on lumber. Hardie panel, as heavy as it seems, falls under the light weight cladding category. (Although, I read recently that studies have shown that a 3/4" vertical rain screen generally doesn't cause a "chimney effect" during a fire.). Multiply the number of battens by the batten width to get the total batten width. You might have some of them lying around, but you can probably purchase the rest at a local hardware store. This might even be a good thing in fire country? There is no point in ripping the 2x4, just use it as is. The steps to help calculate your board and batten spacing include: Yes! Use epdm washers to hold rock wool in place before stapping. The board size arrangements that can be used for board and batten siding include 110 boards with 12 or 13 battens as well as 18 or 112 boards with 14 battens. If you cant find a wall stud, use wood glue/liquid nails and a nail thats long enough to secure the wood to the wall. I'll try to get a picture of it, in case it's not being done elsewhere. If you cant find a wall stud, use wood glue/liquid nails and a nail thats long enough to secure the wood to the wall. The procedure for calculating the required thickness of the furring strips is described on page 117 of the Best Practices Guide: "The specific ESR 1844 & 2290 fastener must be installed into a material that has the same or better holding power than that specified in the ESR 1844 & 2290 and with the same penetration as the ESR 1844 & 2290 fastener.". Its beauty gives homes and cabins a type of rustic charm, its design is durable and proven to last, and along with its ease of installation, its also easy to repair. Said this is sometimes done in Alaska? You might want to choose another material thats longer-lasting. This will help the new siding sit flush against the walls. I'm guessing that the requirement for a WRB beneath the furring strips is general and does not presume there's another WRB behind a layer of EPS. I don't mind the visible nail heads-they'll be painted over. When one builds the first thing one learns is there are a lot of trade offs! Gather your supplies, grab a trusted friend, and get to work. Their strapping min. Surely the barrier will trap moisture within the EPS and not allow for vapour movement to the outside wall? framingI know you can install blocking in the framing but that increases thermal bridgingwas hoping I could install 14 horizontal furring strips on top of sheathing & housewrap, then attach vertical hardie boards to that. I think you can back screws out or push in to create a flat plane, although it sounds finicky! The assembly will be 2x6 wall, plywood, WRB, 1.5 inches rockwool mineral board, furring strips, and then hardie panel or hardie board. However, for everything else, its a good idea to attach your boards to the studs wherever possible. Mountain Cabin, are you worrying over the door/window detailing yet? -0.118x0.267x1.5" 4d common nail However, its still important to properly treat it with different water and stain repellant finishes. "Unless you are in wild fire area, I would stick to either unfaced EPS or permeable poyiso." Also, our commitment to the industry and our craft results in beautiful projects that are not only high-quality but also works of art. This is what we have. I would love to chat more offline about our projects since they seem to be in similar climates and similar material choices. I might be more concerned if I were in rainy place like the Pacific Northwest. That would still be 4 inch screws just to get furring strips installed. Maybe you could cheat with wood vertically on the studs then the plastic horizontally arranged to optimize the fastening purchase. I guess if you go with the thin furring strips then you are obligated to have fasteners that go all the way back to the framing. I dont know if heat from the burn would affect the glue in the plywood in your case either. Starting at one corner of the house, place a board flush up against the wall and make sure its plumb. But no icky hardie dust. Since this thread was originally posted, I decided to go with a continuous exterior layer of mineral wool (rockwool comfortboard 80) which is 1.5 inches thick. 28% borax Even though we try for perfection, there is no perfect building. Or corrugated, horizontally ran material like this. I am also a DIY'er. "}},{"@type":"Question","name":"Can plywood be used for board and batten siding?","acceptedAnswer":{"@type":"Answer","text":"Yes! Once its centered and plumb, nail the top, bottom, and once every 18-24 along the battens length. Like any fashion its best to have some way of altering the building once the trend has moved on. The moldy boards in question were left in my driveway covered by a tarp (my bad). Once its centered and plumb, nail the top, bottom, and once every 18-24 along the battens length. So a rainscreen is not considered essential here. Is this necessary? It drains vertically when applied horizontally and is marketed more for insect control in a rain screen but might work as the screen itself. Once the skirt board is level, use a nail gun or hammer to install three vertical nails every 18-24. ","acceptedAnswer":{"@type":"Answer","text":"The board size arrangements that can be used for board and batten siding include 1x10 boards with 1x2 or 1x3 battens as well as 1x8 or 1x12 boards with 1x4 battens.
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