You can often get two quality 10-year-old tools for the price of one new one. And speaking of thickness, a jointer will not allow you to easily thickness boards to a precise dimension. 2-3 used or lower end planes $200-300. and I still dont have a jointer but i can make do. While this requires more attention to stock selection, I find it to be far less labor intensive and far more functional than buying a jointer first. I went for the jointer first because I had access to a friends portable planer. So deciding which one comes first could mean the difference between having a useful new tool in your shop and having a decoration that collects dust in the corner until its partner arrives. Ive been happy with the results so far. Though its a long debating matter, it apparently seems both the tools (planners and jointers) are equally crucial for woodworking. I think it would be a whole lot easier to flatten a board using planner than a jointer. If I was working at a leisurely pace and was retired or just doing it for the love of working with hand tools, Id feel differently, but the guys I respect like Phil Lowe, Scott Philips, etc all agree that the power tools remove the grunt work so that they can spend more time doing the work by hand that will show. Easy change over, easy operation. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. I dont understand the difference between a planer and jointer. Thats why jointers and thickness planers work as a team. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". Needs new rollers (there is a guy in southern Ontario who recoats them but might be able to find someone in Sudbury too - I never looked). Was just gonna buy another planer/ thicknesser but always remembered, how when I used to work in a joinery, one of the very first steps in dressing timber (ready for the cabinet makers), was to run the raw stock timber, over the shop jointer BEFORE doing anything else. Fence can be aligned to a perfect 90 degree angle for milling square stock. I recently received an email from Doug who asked a very good question concerning some major power tool purchases. To clean those up you have several options: trim with a circular saw and a saw guide, trim at the table saw with a jointing jig, trim with a hand plane, or trim at the router table. In a word Awesome. Easy as pie. Priced new at $800.00 Planer is in excellent condition.. Is registered for lifetime warranty. Snipe from the jointer was essentially non-existent. 66" long bed. and all that without using any sort of infeed/outfeed table thats how good the planer is. 3/8, .050 RMX RIPPING CHAIN is designed specifically for use as a ripping chain on chainsaw mills. and what your priorities are. This is true because of the design of a thickness planer. Guys, Im still very confused. When the other face is flat, flip the board to clean up the first face. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. He had a combination square that turned out not to be and it was a mid-priced brand (Not a Starrett, like the school was using for instance, which is a bit pricey but an excellent tool). Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. I think that that video definitely helped and yes, it was pretty much what Id thought. So much of what I have been building this year involves using sheet goods and dimensioned lumber that the jointer gets used to put a straight edge on things as well as prep for glue ups etc, whereas the planer only gets used when Im dimensioning stock or dealing with rough material. Workarounds for dimensioning lumber that I used while I had a planer but not a jointer: Flatten one face with hand plane, belt sander, or whatever it takes, and check your progress with a straightedge. Hand planes are a much more flexible tool. These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. I would go with the planer first. So if it has 12 blades on it, you have a 12 jointer in one mode, and a 12 planer in the other. Hey Dwade. But, if you need both of them planer and thicknesser, you always have the option to acquire a combined machine (with planer and thicknesser). The jointer, much as I love having one, is an over-rated tool. But he sure appreciates the end products. Serious surfacing of rough wood will tear-up lunchbox planers in my experience they are really disposable tools with too many fragile parts compared to a real, all metal planer.
Craftsman 6 1/8- inch Jointer-Planer Model No.113.20682C Good condition Well cared for, serviced regularly Metal stand included 2 push blocks included. Im still trying to get to my first routing table and apparently it will cost as much as the table for a device just to raise or lower the router properly. I have a 6 jointer and still have to use this method on larger pieces of stock that wont fit on the jointer. The jointer excels at making one flat face and one square/flat edge and thats about it. 38" long heavy duty fence. Lets see.little to none. I need to take them down to finished 1.753.5. Doing it often will make you fit as well. I have to say that I use the jointer more then my planer.so that is why I would buy the jointer first. Big orange sells cedar rough 2x4s. No one says you have to. You can simply buy a hand plane, learn how to use it, and put in the work. Cast iron table. Most lumber suppliers will put a straight edge on a board for you for free when you buy it, and if you pick through the pile for the flatest lumber you can plane to thickness without face jointing. Like make a 45 degree cut on an 8 board all the way down. :). Ill explain why with a couple of videos that will hopefully justify my decision. Took six of us just to lift the thing, Your email address will not be published. Definitely get the planer first. Other 8 ones like the Grizzly are nice and are quite a bit less, but are still over $500 for sure. Enjoy your woodworking. You cannot get a true flat side with a power planer due to the fact that the board will either run on the ends or the middle. Use Distance Search to find Ads based on where you are and how far you want to travel. So glad that you have such a great woodworking community in your country posting videos and all sort of solutions. I have not tried this either, but the jig where you swipe your router back and forth across the whole face of the board seems like it would work. I will also point out that you may have to or want to finish lumber with your hand tools, but taking a crooked, bowed, and twisted rough-sawn board to six-way square with a hand plane is a labour of love and time. People must think all that yellow plastic is actually gold the used ones usually go for almost as much as a new one! Cut second edge with table saw. Crappy hand tools are bad as a friend and I found out while taking part of the Fine Furniture making course at Rosewood Studios in Almonte, Ontario.
Bottom line is I can live without a jointer, but I feel a planer is essential. The bigger the router bit, the nicer the cut. I can also plane rough lumber in it and it comes out flat, those little rubber rollers cant flatten a cupped board like the big Rockwell can. Works with regular 110 voltage. I have put serious thought into this as well so for anyone out there here is what my final decision is gonna be. KRS-102, Spiral Helical Cutterheads -Shop today at best price - Sheartak, $$$ cash for broken or unwanted equipment. So the cupped side, not the bowed side. http:.//jszcbf.wordpress.com. Im thinking its a jointer that just also happens to have a wide-enough blade so that you can flatten the wide side of a board too. To further the point, if you get surfaced lumber, as opposed to rough, its close to flat and the planer can bring it to the dimensional thickness you need. CHAINSAW CHAIN AND LOG WIZARD ATTACHMENT, Scorpion 16 inch Jointer/Planer Combo Machine, KING CANADA Magnetic & Micro Adjustment Knife Jig Kit No. I may look into this planer sled idea, though. http://www.taunton.com/finewoo..x?id=24118, http://www.taunton.com/finewoo..px?id=5245, http://www.newwoodworker.com/r..12rvu.html, http://www.thewoodwhisperer.co..rs-jumpin/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UONmuQt_98, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5tdS5DEImc. One last thing, it is possible to get two flat sides of a board with a radial arm saw and a true level to the face of the blade fence, by running the board on the cupped side along the fence and sawing the bowed side end to end. That should cover 90% of your stock preperation needs. The planer served me faithfully for many years, but a couple of months ago I accidentally wrecked the feeder rollers. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. So what would you find most useful on its own, the planer or the jointer? 6 Rockwell/Beaver Jointer Three blade cutter head with new $50 set of knives that have only been sharpened once. Came from the factory set up and works like a dream. A good smoothing hand plane will clean up the tool marks left behind by the spinning blades. I guess my opinion is pretty different than the consensus here because my jointer gets used on every thing I build but the planer sometimes isnt touched. I opted for a planer first due to the money issue and space!! Works really well. For me, the decision is based on functionality. Didnt do anything to the sides of the board just the main face and back of the board. Part of the reason is cost, Part of the reason is space and the rest is noise. Most woodworkers know that you need both a planer and a jointer to get the most out of rough lumber (at least for power tool users). That will save mr a k lot od wood also the problem with just the planer is that it pushes the wood down flat while planing and springs back up after through the planer, some time the wood is not usable. So I would recomend getting a power planer if you have the funds and space. If the board is wide enough, I can use a router with a straight edge to clean up the edge as well. I always give honest opinions, findings, and experiences on products. Then I fired it up. I learned to use hand planes when I was a kid from my dad and grandpa. Selling a Black And Decker 3 5/8" Planer. The lunchbox planers also tend to give a nicer finish and some control sniping better than some heavy-duty light industrial planers. While youre at it, get a good dust collector. All pictures have the retail price listed in them, Im selling them all at 25% off. ), He who dies with the most tools wins ;-). For a new wood worker always go power and learn how to use hand tools not the other way around. I have both and had the jointer first. Is this correct? I picked up a decent used 6 jointer on Craigslist last year for $80, but after looking in vain for over a year I finally just found a used DeWALT DW735 planer on Craigslist for what I consider to be a reasonable price: $260.
I have my own sawmill so the planer comes in big time handy. You guys have cover it, so new question. Should I ever be compensated to write, I will make full disclosure. I was skip planing (autocorrect got me) I purchase my lumber S2S so having a jointer to flatten one side is never an issue. Someone who had to manage the clutch and changing gears. Why go from someone to them, when youre refer to one in beginning. I only have the money to buy one tool at a time with months in between purchases. I am currently borrowing a planer from a friend. Then send it through the planer to flatten one face. If you learned to drive in a car with an automatic transmission, then your awareness and connection with the car is nowhere near that of someone who had to manage the clutch and gearing themselves. Thanks in advance, for your replies.Im an idiot but do have some fundamentals with wood working.nothing like you guys but I do enjoy tinkering. KKC-50, Craftsman 6 1/8' Jointer planer. I rip one edge and its as clean and straight as a jointer could ever be. (Jointer/planer) I suppose, though, with the combo you cannot plane as wide boards as you can with a dedicated planer. Power tools can do things that no hand-tool can do. Good solid machine running on 575v at 3 phase. Copyright 2006-2022 The Wood Whisperer Inc. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. WOW. In order for this tool to give satisfactory results, the lumber you are thicknessing MUST have one flat face. In general, you plane the face and backs of boards and you joint (or is it join) the edges of boards? 1 stockist of Canada's spiral cutter heads and moulder heads. Transpower Jointer 8" This is a heavy duty machine in excellent working condition. I doubt if Id have got as good value for money from a jointer (planers down here :) ). If you have not given hand planes a shot, try it, youll love it. Any chances WMH will send you one of these for review Marc?!? It is not so hard to flatten a board with a jack plane (or bigger). As a result I have learned to sand a lot. If I were purchasing my tools for the first time, Id find it much more useful to own a planer first. And everything you make will be 3/4 thick. We always used the jointer first in order to get a perfectly straight edge, because It didnt mater what process came next ( weather it be ripping timber through the bench saws, moulding the edges on the spindle moulders, running it through the planner, or getting set up for gluing up) THE VERY FIRST THING, before anything else, was that you needed a perfect straight edge or face, to work from! Why, here is the why: making sleds for the planer is hard, they are NEVER true, can NEVER make a twisted board truely parallel. This ensures one side is dead flat (a jointer wins hands down here folks), then the router jig allows me to router the other side off that flat face parallel. You can use a track saw to cut a perfect square edge if you have both sides already parallel. Lightly used. (And 4 more than Marc!!!). Craftman 61/8 jointer/planer New still in the box Contact by phone 705 474 8998, 4 inch electric planer, works perfect, rarely used 60 dollars. The jointer is used to flatten one face and square up one edge and the planer is then used to make the second face flat and parallel to the first. Jointer is more important. Mortise table on back of machine. Like most people have said planar first, jointer second. regardless of how you want to perform your work power tools always prevail. But if you fully understand all the ways a circular saw can be used with a couple simple jigs, you will be amazed. I do most of my stock prep with hand planes. Of course these techniques take more time so i would def. Marc, I would really appreciate your thoughts on my post here.or anyone else for that matter if it will save me from making the wrong decision! The router and hand-held circular saw really make the stationary jointer partially obsolete. Freshly sharpened blades, 6 wide x 5ft longer jointer bed, 12 wide planer. The sled should have a stop block or use double faced tape to keep your lumber from sliding on the sled. Best wishes to all! I have power tools but sometimes nothing beats that whoosh of using a plane by hand and getting that paper thin curl to flatten a board. Works great Asking $1100 Located in Walker Turner 6 Jointer Planer. :). $400.00 OBO Text 705 773 3146 for fastest response. You cant use the jointer to plane. Bob. Have fun. 4 inch Beaver (Rockwell) jointer/planer w new blades installed and spare machine for parts mounted on wheeled stand. Lightly used. Sure, there are some hoops to jump through. Hopefully hes got the jointer by now! recommend buying a jointer in the future, but in the beginning i would get a planer. SOLD, KING INDUSTRIAL 12 in. The Wood Whisperer abides by word of mouth marketing standards and holds integrity in the highest regard. Unfortunately its a whole new minefield to cross and a whole new (fast disappearing) skill set to learn which is why Im sure Marc is planning some more hand tool friendly episodes soon. Hi Marc, what about using a jointer and table saw to get one face and both edges done, then use a router sled to bring it to final thickness. I know this is an old topic, but important none the less! Would consider more if purchasing all. I agree with Marc here, planer first. (planer and jointer are the best). Those that learn a skill using the manual method before progressing to the automatic method will maintain a quality of skill and craftsmanship that far outshines those who jump straight to the automatic method since they will more fully understand the full process. Brags all the time. Hand tools can do anything a machine can. I haven't used it in 5 years, but it's been stored safely in my garage. Not sure whats disgraceful about that. Doug. For the board I had a twist in (it was too nice to pass up) the twist was abrupt so i crosscut close then did a kerf joint and the grain was luckily nearly invisible. I dont think we have enough information to properly advise Doug yet. If youre getting the planer first anyway, these jigs will help you get decent jointed edges without the jointer, so its all good. Let it dry for a year then plane it. Snipe from the *Planer* was essentially non-existent. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. This site uses affiliate links. themselves is a grammar error too. How can more than one person drive one car? How many custom wood workers these days uses hand tools for everything????? For glue-ups, I do kerf jointing by putting the edges Im gluing together and place the guide so the kerf takes a little off both boards. :). These days you can rip a pretty nice joint with a handheld saw and a straight edge and fix it clean with a router or a hand-plane. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. Any product claim, statistic, quote or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider or party in question. So no angst over which comes first, I just got both at the same time and only bought the 1 machine. Straighten the first edge with a router, using a straightedge to guide the router along the board. The alternative to a jointer is a jack plane followed by a jointer plane. Increase the search radius for more results. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". But what if you dont want to use pre-milled stock and your boards are rough. KNOWING how to fully use a powertool takes time, practice and reading and watching. Thus, you can flatten one side, and run that side down in the planer to surface the opposite side to flat. Does the 3 in difference on the planer make that much difference because either way the cost of purchase [new] is about the same. Then find a no. Its like moving up from an iPhone camera to a DSLR. I know this message will not help you as you are beyond help, but I write this for anyone else who stumbles on this post. Post your classified or want ad in Canada Buy & Sell. Craftsman 6 1/8' Jointer planer. Im asking the exact same question right now and came up with Marcs answer. Even if you do go with power tools they will still not give you a finished surface that is ready for the finish of your choice. Thats skill-less and easy. here is another link for a table saw jig that helps with jointing. The lumber supplier up the street for me sells all his stuff rough planed already so its even simpler to plane it accuratly yourself (although his prices reflect the included machining). It does not store any personal data. Heres the straight scoop on thickness planers. Just my opinion. It would be slow, and has the potential to leave high spots that would mess with the planing, but I know people who swear by it. Thank you for making this possible. I just bought a jet jpp-12. I have never heard about it, but now it sounds so obviously simply brilliant that it has to work. I bought a Jet JJP12-HH and it arrived Monday. Excellent working condition rarely used. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UONmuQt_98 Given this, please assume that any links leading you to products or services are affiliate links that we will receive compensation from. The reference surface for this tool is below the cutter head; if you run a board through that is not flat, the twist or bow cannot be removed. By clicking Accept, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. I would have to say the jointer first also because you need true edges to join pieces together. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. My hubby has never been interested in woodworking so he doesnt understand. I got a planer way before a jointer, and as a result I found myself inventing creative ways of flattening boards. You will cut your joints and then find that the whole table (or whatever youre building) is slightly out of whack. Youll pay a fair bit if you want good planes, scrapers, draw knives, chisels, and so forth, but they are worth every penny. This give you two flat surfaces. Sheartak Tools Ltd. is the No. Plus its much more versatile than just a jointer. I am a bit confused. Designed and developed by Underscorefunk Design. Learn basic hand tool skills with the planes and get some appreciation for woodworking. Nowadays, I read many thing about this issue. Of course both is the best option, and if anyone thinks otherwise, they really dont know what they are talking about! Just expect them to take a bit longer to finish. The first thing I purchased was a Ryobi 12 planer ( or more commonly known as a thicknesser here in Australia). For one thing, you can pick up a perfectly usable 13 portable planer for well under $500 so its less expensive than the smallest jointer Id consider buying which is an 8 (mine is a factory reconditioned DJ-20 and was around $1,400). This is the option I recommend. - Powerful motor, high efficiency, and durable. The planer/jointer is just that, a planer AND a jointer. If you assume Doug has a table saw, his choice of planer or jointer may be different than if he doesnt. It is an older or cheaper model and I have noticed issues. In my opinion, you should purchase the planer first. But now if Marc wants to lend me his 8 jointer so I can compare experiences, P.S., it was good to hear Marc say shoot some brads. Im pretty sure you could get a good qaulity used planer/thicknesser for what youd pay for a jointer. So one can still see value in power tools. Im debating whether to start out with a planer (that seems to have been the most popular answer here versus a jointer) or getting a combo planer/jointer. For example, the snipe is almost impossible to prevent completely. I highly recommended it. - Professional die-casting aluminum tables. This will allow you to work with rough cut boards which are a lot cheaper to buy than finished boards. Where I live, you cant swing a dead cat without hitting a cheap used 6 jointer, but planers are a little less common and quite a bit more expensive. This can be done with a planer only by building yourself a sled out of say 3/4 mdf. This Japanese built machine is solid cast iron and made to last. Excellent working condition, long flat Jointer bed and level planing surface. But for folks who only have the budget to get one at a time, I think the planer would offer more useful functionality. Although I bought my jointer first (Ridgid special from the Home of Despots), I would have most likely received more benefit from having the planer first (once again, a 13 Ridgid special from the HomeI see a theme developing). With some elbow grease and a hand plane, one can flatten one side of a board and then run it through the planer. Once both faces are clean, they should be flat and mostly parallel. Check out this article: I went with the planer first because of the money. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. I can select flat boards, but I dont want to wear out a sander. Those that do create unbelievable work but they are far and few between. Keep in mind though that if you find a killer deal on craigslist etc for a good jointer or planer, its worth just jumping and youll use both tools. Then you can use the now true edge to run along the jointers fence to plane the other side of the board so that you can plane in the correct grain direction. You kinda lost me on that machine you are talking about. Industrial Jointer/Planer w/ Spiral Cutterhead No. Planer and 12 inch jointer all in one. You replied to a comment just over 7 years after it was made B. Thats definitely a viable way to go. Always plane ( on the jointer) the surface of a board to get one true flat side. I bet I see a planer in your near future. Sorry Im going on. Saves on space too. I know both would be ideal, but right now its not real. Thats how it happened to me. The jointer fence held 90* the whole time (some people say things drift over time, I didnt see it in one day but with lots of wood). 6 inch tabletop jointer/planer made by King Canada. A planer on the other hand was born for the task of thicknessing. Works great, and is very quick. The machine actually transforms from one machine to the other. I could then use the router or tablesaw to joint the edges. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone and a great space saver into the bargain. Downsizing and won't have room. Based on the radius, a new location list is generated for you to choose from. Functional cookies help to perform certain functionalities like sharing the content of the website on social media platforms, collect feedbacks, and other third-party features. As I plan for retirement sometime in the not too distant future, I am setting up my hobby workshop. Thanks! That first side you surface jointed or planed should have been the the side that rides the plane on the ends, not on the center. Given that these tools are very expensive, it isnt surprising that most of us will only be able to afford one tool at a time. So, you have 2.0 needs. The result is a dead perfect match assuming you have a glue-edge quality blade. And the trade-off is you get a super wide jointer, but you might be limited by the planer aspect. But if you are serious about woodworking, and think this will be a lifetime hobby, take a look at one of these The edge jointing can be done several ways, but a router table would be my first choice (something else that you can build). This Jointer-Planar combo has a couple real advantages. The truth is you can do a pretty vague flattening job with side A and still end up with a flat board when you are done. I would first go with the jointer.
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